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1 August 2006 by Andrew Downard
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Six Sigma Sucks

Over the past weeks and months I have become increasingly aware that there is a grouchy counter-Six Sigma-culture out there. As indisputable proof of this, a Google search on the phrase "Six Sigma sucks" returns no less than 111,000 hits. (See for yourself here.) Even discounting bitter G.I. Joe fans, this is a big number.

I certainly didn’t read through all of the links, but I did peruse the first score or so. And I also spent quite a bit of time reading through the collected wisdom on a page ostensibly devoted to "The Truth about Six Sigma Quality...Fallacies, Faults and Errors" located here. Incidentally, I was directed to this site from, of all places, the forums on www.isixsigma.com.

Because there is a lot to read on the subject of "Six Sigma Sucks", allow me to paraphrase the vast majority of what is out there in the three points below. And, of course, to respond. Because behind the smarmy smarter-than-thou attitude that pervades most of these pieces, there is little more than a lot of unfounded assumptions, much plain misunderstanding, and no small measure of grumpy complaining masquerading as fact.

1. The math is wrong.

There seems to be a small but dedicated community of folks (mostly academics and consultants) who are obsessed with some or all of the following: the definition of defects; the focus on defect reduction; use of Sigma as a process measure; usefulness of DPMO as a process metric; whether using the normal curve as a basis for process improvement work is appropriate; whether Harry’s “1.5 sigma shift” is real and if so how it may be explained; whether Six Sigma is a reasonable goal in the first place; etc, etc, etc.

Such arguments, in my opinion, entirely miss the point regarding data-driven continuous improvement. Sure, math and statistics get tortured and misused all the time in the name of Six Sigma. And sure, errors are made. That’s not surprising - a few weeks of training and access to a lot of computing power does not make people into statisticians or mathematicians. But if we can get to the point of discussing and debating the problems and opportunities in an organization in a data-driven, consistent way, then the battle is already won. We don’t have to be right in every case, or even most cases, to make progress. Dwelling on the fact that the math is sometimes wrong is a bit like suggesting that we should never start jogging to lose a few pounds unless our running technique is already perfect. In fact, we make a lot of progress even if our technique is terrible. And not to start at all would be a much worse mistake than starting poorly.

Furthermore, "the math is wrong" is not only a weak argument, but also one aimed against a view long since discarded by most serious practitioners of continuous improvement. In my opinion and experience, the best Six Sigma programs today no longer focus on simple defect reduction. Many don’t even teach Z-scores or process capability indices. As the detractors are fond of pointing out, gurus like Deming, Shewhart, Wheeler, and many others have much more sophisticated and nuanced views than simple "Six Sigma quality" on the use of statistics to drive continuous improvement. What the detractors don’t seem to realize is that Six Sigma practitioners realize this too. We’re not dumb or close-minded. We all continue to learn, and Six Sigma curricula have largely moved on in their own cumbersome, evolutionary fashion.

2. Consultants vastly overstate the value of the program.

This one, of course, is often true. But it’s definitely not a Six Sigma-specific problem. And it’s not done by good consultants, consultants who understand the plusses and minuses of Six Sigma, and are careful to talk clients through both. There will always be examples of very expensive programs that start with a blizzard of flashy PowerPoint and end with no results, but that’s hardly the fault of Six Sigma in general. Where and when it happens, it happens independent of the program or subject matter. "Caveat emptor" always applies to any consultant services, and "garbage in, garbage out" always applies to any program or initiative. Six Sigma isn’t any different, but that’s hardly a serious knock against the subject matter.

3. Six Sigma isn’t anything new - [insert your favorite author here] had it right way back when they wrote [insert your favorite book here].

Well of course they did. You won’t find a bigger fan of Deming than me. And Shewhart was absolutely a genius. Every book that Wheeler has written has provided me with numerous light-through-the-clouds moments. Tufte is beyond elegant in his views on the graphical display of information. And yet Deming’s 14 points and PDCA methodology still aren’t common vernacular. The vast majority of people using Shewhart’s control charts still don’t understand them. Wheeler’s intuitive and eminently comprehensible explanations of basic statistics still get misunderstood regularly. And to what I can only assume is Tufte’s ongoing dismay, three-dimensionally rendered bar graphs showing one variable are more common than ever. So apparently just being right isn’t enough. We need a way to institutionalize those realizations across large organizations, a way to create a common vocabulary, a way to get everyone a company moving in the same direction. We need an excuse for everyone to read the magic book. And like it or not, programs that generate hype provide a means to those ends. If there’s a better, more efficient way to achieve the same cultural results, I haven’t found it yet.

What bothers me most about the various "Six Sigma Sucks" pieces I read is that their authors inevitably imbue their words with a certain the-Emperor-has-no-clothes self-heroism, subtly suggesting that they are cleverer than we Six Sigma lemmings who run blindly towards the sea. But what they fail to realize is that those of us on the inside are thinking about the same things they are, wrestling with the same issues, lying awake at night wondering how best to evolve Six Sigma going forward. We understand and worry over the shortcomings of the program more than anyone. The only difference is that we don’t let it stop us from doing the best work we can right now, even as we seek better ways.

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posted by  Phil Whateley 4 August 2006 at 10:40 AM ET
I both agree and disagree with your comments. It is probably true that there are many people who are using good, valid statistical tools in the name of "Six Sigma". There are also many, many people out there (here) who are using valid statistical tools but who wouldn't be seen dead calling their work Six-Sigma.

The problem is that the initial motivation for Six-Sigma was (a) to de-skill the use of statistical tools by making them a recipe, and (b) to create a method which would leverage the perception of market analysts in Wall Street (principally) to raise stock/share prices. This has led to massive implementation with little thought for ability, competence or understanding.

In many cases the advocacy/use of Six-Sigma by badly trained engineers has put improvement through the use of statistical methods into reverse. I think that it is disingenuous to claim that the statistical methods which work are, by virtue of being statistical "Six-Sigma" and anything outside Six-Sigma is non-statistical. Six-Sigma has failed, and its name is tarnished, and it is about time everybody dropped the name and just started using good statistics.
 


posted by  Andrew Downard 4 August 2006 at 11:05 AM ET
Phil,

You suggest that "it is about time everybody dropped the name and just started using good statistics." The problem is that good statistics have been around for a long time. Some of the seminal works on DOE, for example, were written at the beginning of the 20th century. Other "good statistics" techniques have been around much longer. Yet their use is not widespread. The problem as I see it is not identifying or understanding the best techniques, but rather driving implementation of those techniques. And in this area, I think Six Sigma is helping.

I certainly didn't mean to imply that anything Six Sigma is good and anything outside of Six Sigma is bad. To your point, I couldnt care less what we call it. If I thought I could successfully run a program called "Everybody Start Using Good Statistics" I'd do it in a heartbeat. But to change the culture of an organization, some of the "hype" elements of Six Sigma are useful. To overlook this point is, in my opinion, naive. Whether you love the hype or hate it, it serves a purpose.

Finally, I think your suggestions a and b are very much true...of badly run programs. And badly run programs are, well, bad. But there are plenty of good programs out there that don't make these mistakes. As with all things, variation exists. The fact that the low end of the Six Sigma distribution could stand to be improved is certainly true, but it does not mean that all Six Sigma is bad, or that the program as a whole has failed.

Andrew
 


posted by  Ron 8 August 2006 at 10:45 AM ET
Hi Phil,

I sense you might be a disgruntled statistician upset with some so called Black Belt failing to understand and properly explain the difference between Leptokurtosis and Platykurtosis. Am I right?

I am one of those "engineers" trained in these dark arts of Six Sigma. I am a, hold you breath as I am sure you despise these titles, a "Master" Black Belt.

Your comments about Six Sigma failing are simply not true. I have seen it work with my own eyes at many companies, including mine.

Are there things to be improved with my current companies Six Sigma and Lean implementation? You betcha (engineering slang). And are some consultants bastardizing the methodology? Uh huh. Welcome to capitalism my friend.

But guess what... I just trained 25 controllers from around the world in a green belt class and once they really understood something as simple as Voice of the Customer and Voice of the Process I had already won.

You see, the issue is not whether our green belts and black belts are experts in statistics. Rather, the thing that will change the world is when people start to think different and challenge the status quo.

And guess what...

Six Sigma and Lean are the BEST and I repeat BEST tools available to Western civilization to make things better in our companies. Simple as that.

Let's add TOC in there. Mr. Goldratt knows his stuff too. Just ask Alex Rogo.

Oh, I can explain Leptokurtosis and Platykurtosis too. You would be proud.
 


posted by  Cathy 8 August 2006 at 1:51 PM ET
Results 1 - 10 of about 563 for "six sigma sucks".

Look up the term correctly and find out that only 563 uses are made of the statement "six sigma sucks".

Your statistics are incorrect.

Can your understanding of the entire program correlate to this error?
 


posted by  Andrew Downard 8 August 2006 at 2:52 PM ET
Cathy,

My statistics are not, in fact, "incorrect". You report a different statistic than the one I used. Fair enough. That's why I posted a link to my results - so that you could see the data for yourself and take issue if you so chose. Neither statistic is right or wrong; they are two different answers to two different questions. As far as I am aware there are no standards for how to conduct searches on Google, but if you want to see your way as correct and my way as incorrect that is your perrogative.

Again, this is why I was careful to provide a link the source for my number. And also to point out that the total included unrelated hits.

That being said, I did run the search your way before I posted the entry. I also ran a related search ("Six Sigma" sucks), which returned 61,000 hits. In addition I ran several similar test searches using the "Advanced Search" page at Google. You might be interested to know that your way misses out on some of the more interesting and pertinent Six Sigma criticisms, such as a slate.com article about Jack Welch's proteges, or a blog by an Amazon.com employee who is disgruntled about the program. My less restricted search found these and similar items that use the words in close proximity, but don't include the exact phrase "Six Sigma sucks". I don't view that as "incorrect".

In any case, none of this has an impact one way or the other on my main points. Replace "111,000" with "563" if it makes you happy. Then think about point 1.
 


posted by  Ron 10 August 2006 at 9:48 AM ET
Andrew,

The true essence of Six Sigma and Continuous Improvement is not to "win" but to "make progress."

So I suggest you bring suggestions for how to make Six Sigma better or leave those of us who believe in Six Sigma and are trying to use it to make our companies more profitbale using it alone.

Then again, if you want to debate I am up for it too! I know the truth and power behind the methodology.

Life is short mate. Be happy!

Cheers
Ron

 


posted by  Andrew Downard 10 August 2006 at 9:53 AM ET
Ron,

I'm confused. What makes you think I am not a believer in Six Sigma? Seems to me we are 100% in agreement.

Andrew.
 


posted by  tuanman 15 August 2006 at 7:43 AM ET
Throw data into the conversation in getting to a solution and you've just called me a lier. I know what the solution is and the facts can't change my mind. That kind of thinking and the "improper" use of six sigma as a "get rich quick" methodolgy, not as a improvement methodology leads to the mass exodus of black belts in disgust, disgrace or worse disbanding (which I've seen all three).
Six Sigma does suck when you are the one getting sucked up for quick wins, large dollar savings, short time lines, and presenting facts that don't support "my opinion on the real problem and/or solution".
 


posted by  Andrew Downard 15 August 2006 at 8:43 AM ET
Tuanman,

True, but is this kind of thing the fault of the program? In my experience the best program in the world can't fix the behaviour you are talking about. If the environment you describe is present prior to Six Sigma deployment, it will probably be present during and after the program as well.

As for the question of what to do about the root causes of the issues you describe...not sure I have a quick answer to that one!

Andrew.
 


posted by  Kathy 15 August 2006 at 9:05 AM ET
You don't need to have a statistics degree to use or understand 6 Sigma. You need to be able to get groups excited about change, collect the correct data on your project, understand the tools available to you in order to statistically prove whether a factor has an impact on your process or not and "move the ball". Maybe you just needed to have better training and understanding of the process.
 


posted by  Chew JC 18 August 2006 at 2:12 PM ET
Bad Cat, White Cat, any cat, so long as it catches mice
 


posted by  Caiwen 13 September 2006 at 0:17 AM ET
Andrew, i cannot agree with you any more. This world, by nature , has variation. I never expect there exists a perfect consensus by everyone on anything in the world. It is always much easier to criticize something than do it better. Certainly, nothing is perfect. As long as it works or helps, it is worth advocation.
 


posted by  Jeff the Poustman 13 September 2006 at 7:09 PM ET
Seems to me that within this internicine debate it might be easy to forget the privilege of even having SS to criticize. Like the folks who were complaining their tap water was a tad cloudy-- until grandma came in and reflected on how cloudy the old well water was when she used to haul it by bucket.

Those who point out that SS is about continuous improvement are tracking with the issue: SS is better than anything else so far. Should we be content with cloudy tapwater? Not at all. We work to improve it. We work to improve SS, too.

Just signed up for my Master's Cert in SS from Villanova. Looking to apply SS in transactional contexts. Would love to interact a bit with some who have walked the road before me.

poustman@gmail.com
 


posted by  Carolina 15 September 2006 at 1:30 PM ET
I do agree, six sigma is the best thing available so far to improve processes (and change the mind of the unmotivated base workers), even in projects where the data is not enough to do statitics as ellegantly as one would like.

How can it be wrong when it suggests that before implementing solutions, you should know what the problem is; how the problem occurs and why it occurs. If you are lucky enough to have all data needed and can run all the tests, the world is perfect, if not, at least you have gathered enough arguments to fight against chaotic movement that goes no where.
 


posted by  Josh 30 September 2006 at 11:11 AM ET
Just wanted to get some opinions. By getting a 6 sigma black belt without an Associates or Bachelors would it entitle me a good career? Is this just a trend, or can I bank on it until I retire and to retire on? Should I get the certification and get a degree to be safe? If I get a degree what would be the best course of study to compliment it? What is the job descrption? Again, if anyone has any insight please feel free to contact me. I am trying to make a decision ASAP and I feel a bit lost. Thanks.
 


posted by  Andrew Downard 30 September 2006 at 4:36 PM ET
Hi Josh,

The question of whether Six Sigma is just a trend, or will it be around until you retire, is one with no definite answer at this point. There are as many opinions as people thinking about it. The tools and concepts will certainly be around a long time (a safe bet because most of them pre-date "Six Sigma" itself anyway), but who knows about Six Sigma as a program. I could give you my opinion, but I can't predict the future any better than anyone else. Still, learning a new toolset and approach is never a bad idea.

Your other question is easier. Get the degree. There's no question a degree will greatly increase your employability as a Black Belt, or even as a non-Black Belt. As for what field, industrial engineering is probably most closely aligned with Lean/Six Sigma, but you should of course pick something that interests you and will be an enabler for the direction you want to take your career. I my experience there is no one field of study that produces better Black Belts than another. As in all things, success has more to do with attitude and on-the-job experience than with the particular details of what you study in school.

Just my opinion...sounds to me like you might want to talk this over with the folks at your local college or university. (Or if you're feeling brave, post your questions to the iSixSigma discussion forums!)

Andrew.
 


posted by  Mark 5 October 2006 at 3:10 PM ET
I have been with close to 100 different automotive supplying customers. I build my companies TS program and have studied six sigma. From my prospective what is off putting to me and others about six sigma is the self promotion in which green and black belts approach quality and improvement as an unknowable secret only to them. Quality and improvment come down to the substance of individuals not wether someone took a couple hour course which I did. Six Sigma has become a way of putting down or delegitmizing a customer, supplier, or co-worker. A platuea from which to criticize others as not knowing or not getting it or not understanding statistics. Have you ever worked with a six sigma trained person who does not have a soap box.

I have never seen 2 people with belts from different companies come together and agree on six sigma. Allot of unimportant details are debated. The use of stats are used mostly to show improvement and justify ones existence.
 


posted by  James Mealy  [ http://www.facetvideo.com ] 17 October 2006 at 1:15 PM ET
I think that Mark is dead on about what irks so many people, including me, about Six Sigma. It's the notion that it is a secret mystery that cannot be understood by mere mortals. That those who have access to the sanctum sanctorum of SS speak a language that only they can understand. All too often, the champions of SS are talentless managers who use SS to coopt the work of others as their own.

 


posted by  Andrew Downard 17 October 2006 at 2:15 PM ET
James, Mark,

You'll get no argument from me. And for what it's worth, I nod my head particularly emphatically at your (Mark's) observation about what happens when two belts from different backgrounds come together. In fact, I've seen it happen even with belts from different parts of the same company! That says something about how fundamental the concepts being taught really are (or aren't).

But there are two things I would say in response. One is that all the hype (including the jargon) does serve a purpose. I don't condone people acting the way you describe, but setting up a program that is visibily new and different than what has come before is not necessarily a bad strategy for catalyzing change. If not managed closely enough, however, this strategy can have the side effects you described. Clearly this is to be avoided, but my suspicion is that a lot of deployment champions either willfully ignore such side effects, or simply accept them as collateral damage. Whether the trade-offs in this scenario are good ones is open to debate.

Second, good programs can be poorly implemented. To me, a poor Six Sigma deployment (which I think is what you were both alluding to) does not mean that Six Sigma is a bad program. Just like a bad Oracle deployment doesn't mean Oracle is bad software. All I'm saying is that we ought to be clear about whether we have issues with the content of the program (I generally don't) or the way it is often implemented (I often do).

Andrew.
 


posted by  Jimmy 23 February 2007 at 11:05 AM ET
Blah Blah Blah, just like all the other crappy programs that were going to save the world and will go the same way as the rest. Why don't we just "Do it Smart" and get the job done. I just got all 6 sigmaed up this past week. I spent an extra 10 days putting a report and getting a letter signed so that we could be more lean. I don't talk this way much, but it's all BS.

Thank you have a nice day.
 


posted by  Andrew Downard 23 February 2007 at 11:22 AM ET
Jimmy,

Why? Because if it was as easy as saying "'Do It Smart' and get the job done" then every business would already be running perfectly. There would be no such thing as a consultant. And pigs would be winging their way over Times Square.

Of course all programs come and go. It does not logically follow that all programs are bad. If anything, it provides evidence that programs have a life cycle. There's nothing wrong with that.

You've been at it for 10 days and don't see the point. Fine. But consider at least three possible explanations:

1) You're right: it is all BS
2) You're wrong: there is value but you aren't able to comprehend it yet
3) The middle path: your assessment of your own experience with Six Sigma is accurate, but that doesn't mean Six Sigma in general is bad. Hopefully your 10 day ordeal at least convinced you that one data point does not make a trend.

Which of these is the correct? You'd have to collect some data (beyond your own experience) and see which explanation is best supported by the facts to make a determination.

Andrew.
 


posted by  Mike Carnell 1 March 2007 at 10:50 AM ET
I apologize for coming in late on this Blog but just happened upon it and it tweaked an emotional response particularly point #2.

It may or may not be true but why would it matter? Consultants do not make the decision to deploy. Leadership Teams do. Motorola was the "Cradle of mankind for SS so lets look past it. Bossidy was next in '95 and Welch in '96. There are two strong personalities that were not swayed by consultants. I was one of the consultants on both deployments and had to prove our value just as every other program did. How many people honestly believe that any consultant can control either Bossidy or Welch or did not control even mislead them? What a stupid assumption.

Looking beyond them since they are a fairly untypical pair of CEO's. Lets say that the consulting community as a whole contrived a consistent lie to sell SS. That would mean that the Leadership teams of every company that has done SS has bought into the lie and were so weak, misled, etc that they did not figure it out and went into this thing completely blinded by some BS put together by a group of people whom they have absolutely no requirement to speak to. That wouldn't say much for the Leadership teams of a few hundred companies in the world.

The other side of that is that forums such as iSixSigma are as open to people publishing bad results as they are good results - these poor leadership teams were not able to find those results?

The whole thing falls apart too easily.
 


posted by  Andrew Downard 1 March 2007 at 11:29 AM ET
Mike,

Thanks for the thouthful reply. Just want to be clear that I completely agree with what you are saying.

I do think *some* consultants and conference organizers overstate and/or oversimplify the value of Six Sigma or similar programs. There is a lot of literature and advertising out there that, to me, states implicitly or explicity that all you have to do is wave a magic Six Sigma wand and the money will come rolling in. "Attending this 2-day pre-conference workshop will show you how to slash your manufacturing costs by 30%!"

My point is simply that nay-sayers point to this kind of thing as evidence that Six Sigma is all hype. But as you correctly point out, the fact that *some* consultants make *some* dubious claims doesn't mean that the program is bunk. That's my point! There are plenty of good consultants out there, and plenty of good leadership teams engaged with them. Which is why it annoys me when doubters point to a few bad apples and call the whole barrel rotten.

Again, to be clear, #2 IS NOT a sound reason to believe Six Sigma Sucks.

Andrew.
 


posted by  Mike Carnell 2 March 2007 at 9:07 AM ET
Andrew,

I didn't mean to imply that I thought you believed this. I do see it frequently in the Discussion Forum and find it very irritating.

It creates the impression that consultants have completely free access to the Leadership teams at any time and can tell them anything they choose and they will just sit there like bobble head dolls and do whatever the consultant tells them to do. A person can contemplate that for about a nano second before they realize how ludicrous that is. If it doesn't seem ludicrous to some out there, pick a CEO, call their office and try to schedule an appointment. If you do get that appointment (just tell them you are a consultant - you'll get walked right in - correct?) tell them that you can create all kinds of benefits and they will send you away with a big check.

Most members of Leadership Teams have a pretty good BS detector. Regardless of the claims they always have the option of picking up the phone and calling the people consultants have claimed to help. If they don't, that is their issue not the consultants.

In fact I believe most Leadership Teams exercise caution when they make these types of decisions. The biggest issue I see with them is when they do decide to go, they need to participate in the planning and implementation of the initiative - not exclusive to SS. Any consultant that walks in and can do it without your participation - your BS detector should be going out of control.

Just my opinion.
 


posted by  Andrew Downard 2 March 2007 at 9:55 AM ET
Amen!

Andrew.
 


posted by  John Corr  [ http://www.closequarter.co.uk ] 9 March 2007 at 6:30 AM ET
You've avoided the primary reason why Six Sigma sucks in Service businesses:

It's far too much effort for too little financial or operational impact. There are much more straightforward ways of achieving the same business results in a fraction of the time & effort.

Take a look at some of the Lean approaches from Michael George and others and you can find more powerful approaches to getting the business results you want in a good deal less time.

P.S. Yes some of the Six Sigma tools are great - you just don't need to distract yourself with all the unnecessary baggage.
 


posted by  Andrew Downard 9 March 2007 at 9:15 AM ET
John,

It is true that Six Sigma methods are sometimes applied in situations for which they are not the best choice. And it is also true that there is sometimes an "all or nothing" mentality associated with Six Sigma projects - i.e. that if we are going to call it a Six Sigma project then we need to use every tool we learned in the course.

I don't think you'll find much opposition, even among Six Sigma professionals, to your suggestion that Lean efforts often give you a bigger bang for your buck in service areas, especially early on in a deployment. Good continuous improvement programs will have a mechanism or process for matching the right tools to the opportunity. Using a lot of complicated tools where they are not required is clearly wasteful.

One strong advantage of the classic Lean toolset over the classic Six Sigma toolset is simplicity and accessibility. On the other hand, there are always those thorny areas where you do need to go deeper, dig into the data, run experiments, and uncover non-obvious paths forward. Six Sigma tends to be good at this. As I said, I think the trick is select the right toolset for the opportunity at hand.

This is all old news, of course. George and others have literally written the book on how to select, sequence, and blend various toolsets like Six Sigma and Lean. It's not a case of either/or, but rather which/when.

So - I agree with you - but I don't see this as a reason Six Sigma sucks!

Andrew.
 


posted by  Don 10 May 2007 at 6:28 PM ET
Six Sigma is the opiate of middle management, the fall-back position in the absence of talent. It is what is resorted to by companies which are unable to hire premium talent in key positions.

The mantra of repeatable, measurable process is sickening to me as it limits and deters innovation and creativity. Six Sigma is a bag of promises and escalating costs which, when implemented, functions primarily as a scapegoat in the place of personal responsibility ("We didn't meet our goals because our Six Sigma process needs improvement! Let’s spend more time and money on a Six Sigma process to manage our Six Sigma implementation!)

I am the CEO of a publicly traded company, and every quarter I have to listen to a division lead propose to achieve their forecasts via a Six Sigma implementation. I have found that a much easier way to improve results in a given division is simply to swap out the manager. Replace a manager who is having trouble with a manager that produces results and guess what--good results follow the good manager and bad results follow the bad manager.

Further, many managers produce bad results despite the fact that they have fundamental talent. In these cases, mentoring, guidance and seasoning invariably are the cure--as opposed some statistical, ethereal entity that has self-referential hype as a fundamental tenet.

A company is what its people do. A process is as good as the people who run it. I'll take good people over good process any day.
 


posted by  Andrew Downard  [ http://blogs.isixsigma.com/archive/part_time_help_wanted.html ] 10 May 2007 at 10:53 PM ET
Don,

If you are indeed the CEO of a publicly traded company, then I'm not sure why Six Sigma troubles you. You're in charge. Do your thing. If you don't like Six Sigma, don't do it. Why the fuss? Either you are right or you are wrong, and your shareholders will let you know either way. You don't have to listen to me or anyone else.

Your last statement is a tautology and falsely implies that one need choose between good people and good process. Even the most ardent Six Sigma supporters don't believe that. Personally, I'm with you - good process can't exist without good people. This is not an argument against Six Sigma.

Not all companies are able to (or even want to) "hire premium talent in key positions." Many want to develop and create premium talent internally on an ongoing basis. Actually, your penultimate paragraph suggests you want this as well. Properly deployed, Six Sigma provides a vehicle to systematically apply mentoring and guidance where they are required. Poorly deployed, it doesn't. Again, this is not an argument against Six Sigma.

My point is this: you are arguing against Six Sigma done badly. But no one is trying to defend Six Sigma done badly. Except perhaps the guy who handed you the bag of promises and delivers escalating costs with no personal responsibility. Don't blame Six Sigma for this - get a new guy.

By the way, for which publicly traded company are you the CEO?

Andrew.
 


posted by  KEL 15 May 2007 at 9:31 AM ET
I believe in the 3 legged stool approach; people, process and tools in that order. Good people with performing good processes with the right tools get things done.
 


posted by  corn29 24 May 2007 at 10:58 AM ET
I came across this blog while doing some research for a class in my MBA program.

All to often, CIP implementations usually become the senior management's pet program and that is where the resources and immediate attention goes. A problem I've seen very regularly, and not addressed here yet, is when this happens, the product begins to suffer.

When the product suffers, the staff (the ones actually doing the real work mind you) gets flustrated and starts to throw the "<<insert CIP name here>> sucks" around. Six Sigma is currently the target because the that's the CIP du jour. At this rate, and when someone comes up with a new name for some process improvement program, the staff will parrot, "<<the new program>> sucks" too.

The root cause of this problem is the process folks try to leverage every feature of the CIP framework & the staff pushes back when presented with requirements which are not practical to their organization -- nowhere in any CIP does it say thou shalt do ____.

Until organizations & consultants learn to find a balance between the product, the process, and to TAILOR the program to a given organization's needs, there will never be uniform acceptance of CIP within an organization nor harmony between different CIP consultants.

BTW, if Ron could provide some empirical data regarding his claims, it would help his defense of 6 Sigma seem more relevant (& tangible). He presents anecdotes as facts but without detailing the data, the claims seem a bit hollow.
 


posted by  Andrew Downard 24 May 2007 at 10:15 PM ET
corn29,

For what it's worth, I think you make an interesting point. I don't know if you're right, but it's an interesting hypothesis.

If you read through some of my other blog entries, you'll see I share your view of the need to cutomize and find balance. My point is that Six Sigma doesn't suck as a program, any more than workout or SPC or any of the other ancestor programs did. The problem isn't the program, it's the interaction between the organization and program. And that will probably be true of any program - there's nothing special about Six Sigma in this respect. Pointing to supposed failings of Six Sigma is a red herring. Maybe you've figured out one reason why.

Andrew.
 


posted by  Kris 20 August 2007 at 4:54 PM ET
Here is my view of six sigma - a layman's view. Some simple statistics I think we all can agree upon. A certain percentage of the human race has barely enough brain power to tie their shoes. A percentage of them end up, who knows how, with degrees.

Now you have some half wit in your company, because he just barely can function in his position, you are unable to fire him. Technically he has done nothing wrong. He hasn't really done anything, either.

Your choices, move him to another department or promote him. So wallah - along comes six sigma - teach all your deadweight all they can learn from a book. Maybe, just maybe, they may gain an ounce of common sense, meanwhile spend millions on the spin doctors. Well at least they can spend your money making pretty charts, so you can show your customer you have a problem when he finds it.

Six sigma and ISO are both self perpetuating ideologies. Neither one is required to be successful. Neither one will save a bad product (think AZTEC - the perfect market research vehicle - why did it take some old man to finally kill it? Because he was a 'car guy'. Never was it mentioned he was a six sigma blackbelt. The belt titles are just another farce to hide behind.

My apologies to those with deep beliefs in the latest business fads, but has Motorola really done anything lately, besides scale back production of their six sigma defect free products?
 


posted by  Betty Smith 20 August 2007 at 9:44 PM ET
Hi,
I quite agree with you about several of your opinions - while Bill was alive he worked hard to help Motorola with their quality. Frankly, I never heard of a "belt" thing from him. His principals were simple and effective. Some thinks just get blow out of hand - he would be amazed.

Sincerely,
Betty Smith
 


posted by  Andrew Downard 20 August 2007 at 10:40 PM ET
Kris.

Let me attempt to paraphrase what you said, paragraph by paragrah:

1) Statistics are okay, but most people are dumb.
2) Companies employ some dumb people.
3) Teaching Six Sigma to dumb people doesn't help customers.
4) Six Sigma and ISO are not sufficient to ensure success.
5) You are sceptical that Motorola has had any recent successes.

Is my summary reasonably accurate? If it is, you're going to have to help me out, because it looks a lot like a rambling mess of unsupported opinion. Except for the bits that are self-evident pablum. And the unintended tautolgies. Frankly, I'm not sure where to even start with a response. Did you even read the orignal post?

And - heavens! - you think that the "belt" titles are a farce? Well, goodness me, I'm sure you are the first one to ever lodge that complaint. How original of you!

I'm happy to have an intelligent discussion about the plusses and minuses of Six Sigma, but you're going to have to bring more than this to the table.

Andrew.
 


posted by  Andrew Downard 20 August 2007 at 10:49 PM ET
Kris,

These two previous blog entries address some of the "points" (and I use that term loosely) you raise:

entry #1
entry #2

Andrew.
 


posted by  Scot ZR 21 August 2007 at 7:16 AM ET
Well, I just came across this blog - lots of people out there have had bitterly painful experiences with poorly implemented six sigma programs, I think...

I'd like to ask them a couple of questions:

  • Do hammers suck because I can't use one to fix my TV?

  • Does penicillin suck because it won't cure every disease?


Just like any other tool, six sigma sucks when applied poorly, or when viewed as a miracle cure for everything. That being said, it's a great tool to have available to use when it's needed, just like any other process improvement tool you might choose.
Disclosure time: I am a certified Green Belt and also a certified Quality Auditor for ISO 9001. This also means that due to repeated exposure, I am immune to "Program of the month" comments...

Now a couple of responses to specific posts:

Kris: Regarding the "latest business fad" comment, I don't think wanting to remove variability from your process and make it work better is really a fad. Power ties? There's a fad for you.

Don: I suspect you would list "operator error" as your root cause for most problems. While that is sometimes the case, it's usually a symptom of something else; insufficient training, lack of resources, or a process that allows for error... if you remove as much variability as possible, and remove as many opportunities for error as you can, just think what great people could do with a great process!

Kel: I agree. Good people with performing good processes with the right tools get things done. Six sigma helps with the second leg.

Well, off to work for day 2 of our external ISO audit...

-Scot
 


posted by  Kris 21 August 2007 at 7:34 AM ET
Andrew,

What I was getting at is Six Sigma is no better, nor worse than anything that came before it. Like the other posts, I see quite a bit of elitism with the belts, some of the one's I know couldn't find their way out of a paper bag. That is the situation in any business. Why are belt title's necessary, if not to enable elitism? Isn't training enough? Or is it to signify, you or your company, spent more money on training than someone else?
Why is there a need to argue the 'nuts and bolts' of six sigma?
Either something works or it doesn't. To argue over shifts, or to try to justify a "magic" 1.5 number, is just like trying to save a sinking ship with a bucket. Maybe if you get 1,000 passengers to bail, it will stay afloat for awhile.
 


posted by  Andrew Downard 21 August 2007 at 10:52 AM ET
Kris,

Belt titles don't add any value, and quite possibly increase cynicism about Six Sigma in general. I have no argument with you there. Nor, I suspect, would most people who are serious about Six Sigma. But like it or not, the belt titles have become part of business common vernacular. Trying to get rid of them at this point is a fool's errand. Too bad, because the definition of levels has become so variable that the titles themselves no longer have much meaning. Anyway, my point is that you are advancing an argument against a viewpoint that no one is trying to defend. Six Sigma itself doesn't suck, but I'm prepared to admit that the belt terminology does.

About shifts, the whole point of the original blog was that it was pointless and misguided to argue about statistical arcana. The much-discussed 1.5 sigma shift falls into this category. I have never, ever seen a project where this concept mattered.

Given all this, the interesting question is: what value does Six Sigma provide? If the basic statistics aren't new and the belt levels aren't particularly useful, why have the program at all? Good question. My answer is in point 3 of the orginal blog.

Thanks for the discussion.

Andrew.
 


posted by  DC 21 August 2007 at 2:00 PM ET
Let's face it...Six Sigma sucks!
 


posted by  Frank 7 September 2007 at 11:50 AM ET
Ever since the 80's (as the U.S. was transforming from an industrial economy to a service-oriented economy), there existed self-proclaimed "gurus" of quality. We had programs like quality circles, zero-defects, and any combination of the like.

It seems like every five to ten years a new program is born -- which is essentially a reinvention of an one, i.e. (been there done that).

Here's the crime: corporations expend vast resources into writing new procedures, training personnel, hiring consultants, etc. -- only to end up with a new program and the same return on investment they had before. When will they learn from their previous mistakes?

We (in the U.S.) have this knack for creating B.S. programs that grows a new generation of bogus consulting companies full of Elmer Gantrys.

The come on a periodic basis like an epidemic (the quality epidemic). They are like a bad disease (like cancer or herpes and need to be eradicated).

Wake up guys -- we are talking about expending overhead here...

Here's my rub: I have no problem if private and publicly held corporations want to waste their resources shucking and jiving about quality and SPC, because I know they will end up exactly where they were before a year later.

But when the DoD and the rest of the Federal government waste my hard earned tax dollars, because their leadership and management is inept and incompetent, I have grave concerns.

I just can't wait until this fad passes like all the others.

Kind regards,

 


posted by  Andrew Downard 7 September 2007 at 12:18 PM ET
Frank,

So you are advocating we do...nothing?

Like many other comments on this blog, yours argues against Six Sigma done badly. But no one is suggesting that Six Sigma done badly is a good thing. You are arguing against a position that no one is defending.

Of course Six Sigma is a fad. Of course programs come and go. Of course there is a new thing every 5-10 years that contains elements of previous things. Noticing this does not make you clever. Newsflash: even Six Sigma people know this. And the good ones embrace it. Change happens. Evolution occurs. No one is arguing that this is not the case. If anything, I would argue that this process of renewal is a sign of health and vitality, not the opposite.

So I ask you again. What do you suggest we do?

Andrew.
 


posted by  Frank 7 September 2007 at 2:23 PM ET
ignore lean six sigma ! -- and hopefully it will blow away quickly. (the emperor has no clothes)
 


posted by  Andrew Downard 7 September 2007 at 3:08 PM ET
Frank,

This is going to sound facetious, but it is not intended to be.

Think hard about the true meaning of kaizen. Meditate on it. What do you think continuous improvement over time is going to look like if it is "quality systems" in general that are being improved?

Would we expect things to look the same year after year? No. Would we expect new ideas to replace old ones over time? Yes. Would we expect programs and fads to have a life cycle? Yes. Would we expect any given program or fad to be perfect? No. Will there be some that stink? Yes.

Will we improve over time? Well, I say yes, and I think you'd say no. But I'll tell you what: your suggestion of doing absolutely nothing ENSURES that there will be no improvement over time. My way of embracing change at least opens up the door to the possibility of improvement.

Like I said, think hard about the concept of kaizen, and how kaizen is likely to manifest itself in the context of quality improvement systems. I think you'll find the answer is pretty close to what is going on right now.

Andrew.
 


posted by  Frank 7 September 2007 at 6:45 PM ET
My father-in-law told me his take on quality programs, etc is this: "You have to ask yourself only two questions, and for both you can only answer 'yes' or 'no'. The first question is: 'Am I producing a quality product?'... If the answer is no, you better really think long and hard as to why you are in business or why your organization even exits. If the answer to the first question is 'yes', then you ask yourself -- can you prove it? If you can't, then how do you know you are producing a quality product? ....

Zen in on that big-guy.

His point, and mine is simple... let's not spend a whole lot of resources on BS procedures that nobody reads, and BS processes that cost time and money... spend time on leading and managing... because if you are a leader of an organization and a manager ...and you can't run an efficient organization...well then I say what good are you, and it's time you hit the road.

It's pretty simple, a company or organization that needs consultants and quality gurus has more problems than just "quality" ...

it has serious leadership and management issues...

Because it should have never gotten that way in the first place.

So, all the quality programs in the world won't fix that problem.

The goal for any organization is to minimize resources on programs and processes, because that stuff doesn't create quality ... it only helps identify the deadwood, waste, and out of bounds stuff. You want to concentrate your energies on being the best at what you do (i.e. offense not defense)

As my grandfather used to say...you don't win ball games playing defense... you win them playing offense -- scoring points... you can't win a game if you don't score any points.

So, concentrate on more on doing the positives... doing things right... and less on preventing the negatives..the rotten fruit is easy to pick out...just don't produce it in the first place! (or hire it)
 


posted by  Andrew Downard 7 September 2007 at 9:03 PM ET
Frank,

If your father in law was correct, Toyota wouldn't exist. Do you suppose they started out with a quality product? No. Even today, I suspect they would answer your father in law's first question with a "no". They started out where they could, and improved ov